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A little different...
« on: February 19, 2008, 11:08:41 pm »
Without getting into the debate regarding post processing and photographic integrity, I enjoy post processing techniques and like to play around with images.   I thought I would post this which shows the original image (which obviously was altered in post processing) and my attempts to create an oil painting like finish.  Obviously reduced and lowered jpg compression. Thoughts?



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Re: A little different...
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2008, 04:17:28 am »
I like it... You took out that ugly fence and the smaller wall. I would of liked to see that ugly bigger wall knocked down just a bit, like make a dent in it and take the squareness away from the right side of the picture. Make the frame match all the way around. Colors still look good but you did lose a lot of detail in doing your Post processing. You can see that it looks like a painting more on the Guard rail than the car itself but it looks good.

I would never debate you Scott...  :D

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Re: A little different...
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2008, 09:27:28 am »
I like it... You took out that ugly fence and the smaller wall. I would of liked to see that ugly bigger wall knocked down just a bit, like make a dent in it and take the squareness away from the right side of the picture. Make the frame match all the way around. Colors still look good but you did lose a lot of detail in doing your Post processing. You can see that it looks like a painting more on the Guard rail than the car itself but it looks good.

I would never debate you Scott...  :D

 ;D    Valid points.  Actually, your point about the detail is spot on because I actually regretted when I did 'another pass' with the brush stroking.  I started out with a pastel type smudge and moved to oil.  I liked the layering affect alot from going one to the other.  It was actually quite abstract when I first did it, and then I just kept going and thought I would go with subtle.   I think I went a step or two too far. The great thing about digital... I can start over and/or go back to a point in time and edit from there.   
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Re: A little different...
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2008, 09:56:33 am »
Interesting treatment, it came out quite well. If I was going to comment on anything, I'd probably question whether you want to obscure the name on the windshield, and the town this car is sponsored from, located on the rear side. If I was a car sponsor, I'd want that clearly shown in a photo. I'm wondering what it would look like if you kept all parts of the car in focus, and severely painted everything surrounding it.
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Re: A little different...
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2008, 10:05:48 am »
Interesting treatment, it came out quite well. If I was going to comment on anything, I'd probably question whether you want to obscure the name on the windshield, and the town this car is sponsored from, located on the rear side. If I was a car sponsor, I'd want that clearly shown in a photo. I'm wondering what it would look like if you kept all parts of the car in focus, and severely painted everything surrounding it.

This isn't NASCAR.. it's not "ALL" about the Sponsors!!    ;D

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Re: A little different...
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2008, 10:24:10 pm »
More talent than I have for panning a racecar, that's for sure, and a very good capture.  I like the tone.

Interesting texture, but seems to lose context when it has no frame. 

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Re: A little different...
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2008, 10:40:28 pm »
All opinions are appreciated or I wouldn't have posted it.   ;)

Just for reference, here is the original before it was cropped, edited, etc. 

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Re: A little different...
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2008, 02:30:51 am »
Scott, in my opinion, I would crop your original photo so that the car is more to the left third of the photo.  We read from left to right and, perceptually, that is what our mind wants to see.  Plus, it would give the feeling that the car would be racing off from somewhere rather than into the scene.  Remember your rule of thirds as best that you can for good composition.  As far as post-editing techniques... I'm not much help.  Just my 2 cents.  Wait, gas if supposed to be going up within the next week.  I'm only giving you my 1 cent! 

Nice capture.  I assume that you panned it and caught at a higher ISO?  I wonder what it would have looked like if you would mask the car and gaussian blur the surroundings a bit and then go for your oil painting effect?

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Re: A little different...
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2008, 09:31:29 am »
OMG...The Mayor is alive and active on the boards.... :)

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Re: A little different...
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2008, 09:55:31 am »
Scott, in my opinion, I would crop your original photo so that the car is more to the left third of the photo.  We read from left to right and, perceptually, that is what our mind wants to see.  Plus, it would give the feeling that the car would be racing off from somewhere rather than into the scene.  Remember your rule of thirds as best that you can for good composition.  As far as post-editing techniques... I'm not much help.  Just my 2 cents.  Wait, gas if supposed to be going up within the next week.  I'm only giving you my 1 cent! 

Nice capture.  I assume that you panned it and caught at a higher ISO?  I wonder what it would have looked like if you would mask the car and gaussian blur the surroundings a bit and then go for your oil painting effect?

Thanks Mr. Mayor...     I understand your thought on the composition.   The reason I cropped it to the right was that I always tried to make it look more of where it was heading instead of where it has been... if that makes sense?   Great thing about digital... I can try it the other way you suggested too!   8)

This picture was taken at my very first shooting event in 2006.   I got my camera in April/May 2006 (I had never owned anything other than my Sony Cybershot 2.5mp P&S and didn't know my ISO from my f/Stop   :D ) and this was taken in June 2006 at Watkins Glen.   I made so many mistakes.  LOL     Then, I went to another race in September 2006, which turned out better.  Then in spring of 2007 I tried some different locations of shoots - but really didn't have the focal length to pull of alot of them - so alot of cropping (So I bought the EC-14 teleconverter and definitely want the 50-200mm Zuiko lens).   Then in September of 2007 I noticed my shots were better.   I didn't start "panning" until spring 2007.    So this shot is more a 'freeze' with some shots from that event with just enough blur in wheels and areas to convey movement. 

I'm fairly certain this was shot at ISO 100 (believe it or not) because I shot everything at ISO 100 at the first event because it was so sunny and my inexperience I thought it would work.  Well, some did fine but I had to do quite a bit of brightening - and I was shooting JPG and not RAW back then.   

I now like to shoot at ISO 200 and around 1/200 to 1/250th shutter and panning because I really like the blur it produces.  Obviously the conditions affect that some, but that's the area I like to get into in terms of getting the vehicle and background blur balanced.  Not a great shot, but a sample I have handy:



The above was taken in June of 2007.

I like your suggestion about the gaussian blur.. I sort of started playing with that concept before but never got the full hang of it.  There is a tutorial example in one of the photoshop books I have. 

Thanks again for the input - it's definitely appreciated.  Being I've only been shooting for less than 2 years - I'm still trying to 'find myself' in regards to technique and the type of photographs and styles I like personally.   



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Re: A little different...
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2008, 01:40:53 pm »
OMG...The Mayor is alive and active on the boards.... :)

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Re: A little different...
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2008, 01:47:15 pm »
Ric, I do believe you're right. I suspect that someday we'll see Andy's name in the paper, having run over a beautiful naked woman while being distracted playing his guitar while driving. On a positive note, however, he'll likely take a very good clearly focused well-lit evidentiary photo.
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